Is Ted Ligety WaistSteering ? WaistSteering Instructionals - 2015 3 months ago   05:47

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Is Ted Ligety WaistSteering ?
Tommy Kirchhoff guides you through a logical and kinesiological explanation.
At the 4:30 mark listen to Ted Ligety say, "Counter to what most coaches will tell you, in GS, I rotate a lot."
Do you want to rotate correctly in your ski racing turns ?
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mnminnmn
What's the % weight distribution between uphill/downhill skis at various points in the turn? can you overpower the centrifugal forces at will in a turn at high speeds? I'd say there's a reason your outside leg needs to extend(not just the wider outside arc) to be able to maintain edge pressure. Can the average skier or a world cup skier really get tremendous edge pressure on uphill ski when pretty much fully compressed to the ground? It's a terribly weak position to maintain much pressure at all no matter what level.
Hboss Pro
I have looked into this matter and it's true. If you go to Google and search "Sochi Olympics 2014 Ted Ligety" and look at the pictures you can see he is clearly on the inner leg and using his waist according to the technique that you have explained. But even though he uses this technique, you can't fully prove that you have created this technique. Please respond if you can prove that this technique is actually created by you.
Peter Dowse
Interesting...Waist steering looks great as long as the timing is right which Ted clearly demonstrates....allowing the hip or waist to follow thru can be very powerful as long as the athlete remains in balance throughout the turn sequence or else you get rotation.
I can see it for GS
warren mann
so from the skiier's view when im say... making a right turn and my right ski tip is farther forward then my left(because my right knee is bent), then as i am standing back up going across the hill i push my left ski forward to introduce the left turn before it happens.  This would make my weight shift to my right side ski sooner and thus make it carve sooner? if this is what you are saying then that sounds very simple to do! let me know if i am making sense or not so i dont try and learn anything wrong! thanks!
Sandy Jenkins
Based on your website and what I see here I am not sure what is cause and effect.  Yes you use your waist and the weight on your skis to steer.  However one point on your website is off.  You state that the inside ski must skid to make the same corner.  That is not true at all, because you have different weight on each ski.  The outside ski could have less weight on it and therefor people are really flexing the uphill ski more.  Watch more of Ted's skiing videos.  There are lots of difference between his uphill and downhill ski beyond what you think he might be doing with his waist.
trekteam
Master Foo could lose a pound or two.....especially around his waist.
daniel janssen
There is absolutely no way you can push your new inside ski forward without retracting the old inside ski first. A matter of physiology.
Susan Luedtke
I was doing this type of turns in the 80s with my 209cm Spaulding Squadra Corse skis. The book "Pianta Su (up unweight)" was pushing this technique. Very powerful way to turn especially in the days of long boards.
Ortniuf
 Berwang's Ski School in Tirol, Austria says (2015), "Waist Steering is the hip and happening thing on the slopes today!" http://www.hotelsinger.at/fileadmin/daten/dokumente/PDF-Downloads/2014/Singer-Sporthotel-SPA_News-2014-2015_E.pdf
Ortniuf
WaistSteering slow motion: https://up-tube.com/upvideo/Ys-7EU89lft
Ortniuf
Here is a fresh WaistSteering demonstration video from two days ago: https://up-tube.com/upvideo/R97uXg-V5eZ
Lauren Peot
Pardon me for being so bold as to offer a question/observation -- there are some heavy hitters on here and I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone.
Harold and I were friends with a remarkable human, one Willy Draper.
Were he still with us, I am sure he would ask if pulling the inside ski back, along with shortening the inside leg might not be a more apt description of what is going on.
Pushing the outside ski forward does result in keeping the hips/pelvis/waist more square/perpendicular with the skis line of travel, but isn't it going to result in moving your center of mass BACKWARDS with the concomitant results?
My understanding, I admit is not on the level of all y'all -- but isn't pulling the inside foot back a recentering/ forward move?
Blessings
Gigs 98
there were skiers like benjamin raich who became famouse because he was one of the first skiers who accelerated over his uphill ski. isnt that exactly what you invented
georgert
I'm not buying it. Unless you can explain to me how you've done anything more than move classic counter rotation from the torso to the pelvis, it's equally inefficient. Ligety et. al. keep a still disciplined upper body and pelvis, and their femurs rotate internally and externally at the acetabulum. From the neutral transition zone the athlete tips the skis on edge using a combination of partial knee flexion and femoral rotation. As the skis bend and redirect into the fall line the pelvis and torso retain their original orientation toward the apex of the turn creating a strong outward facing wall. That is, corresponding body parts of the inside and outside halves of the body are all equally displaced from one another relative to the direction of travel of the skis. Ligety increases pressure on the outside ski through the fall line by extending at the knee while the inside leg flexes at the knee and coils under the hip. While the skis may be railing turns, internal torque is generated through the femurs. Leave the "waist" out of it.
titoskivel
I've ben doing it wrong all his time. Thank you so much for the information. Can't wait to go test this tomorrow on the hill. You are such an expert! Thanks a lot again!
Mark Jones
Tommy, you are at least 4 decades behind the curve. You definitely did not invent these pedagogy. There have numerous excellent ski teachers and coaches using this body motion during the turn since Stenmark's time. Many teachers in Europe and Canada have discussed this particular requirement of the hip rotation through the turn to generate the most power, stay in an anticipated stance for the flow into the direction of travel and to drive the skis with power down the mountain. Calling yourself the inventor is really very childish and flat out incorrect.....shut up & ski
Max Hall
no.
Matthieu Becquart
Hello, does "waist steering" work for jump turns on steep slopes ?
RonMegat
I find it interesting thanks....it's a bit of a confirmation on what i've been experimenting but not really knowing if i was doing the right thing or not. thinking back about it it did feel better on my turns. Now i will try and be more aware of that movement and see what the effect will be. Aswell in some of ted's films you can clearly see he can allow himself to drop his hip in to get to the amount of angle he's capable of getting. Maybe waiststeering plays a role in this part. I do know dropping in your hips without waiststeering ends up badly most of the time.
CoolCatMatt
I'm still a bit skeptical will this work on smaller hills? It seems all your testing has been on mountains. If this stuff is really legit would it make me a better skier?
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WaistSteering Instructionals - 2015 Is Ted Ligety WaistSteering ? 3 months ago   04:04

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