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Short Turns Demystified (Short 5 months ago   16:44

Triggerboy62
Hi!

This is actually just a shorter version of the Short Turns Demystified video I released earlier this winter. Here is the link to that video: https://up-tube.com/upvideo/f4zIFnq5L_8 . I had a request for this video as I posted a link in the longer version and actually got some views. So I decided to post this video in case some people preferred to watch a slightly shorter version. Note that I actually made a new voice over at the section where I comment on the demo itself so you might want to watch it for that reason.

I’m basing this video on a technique I learned in Austria as a kid a long time ago. I call it the “Pre Turn Concept”. The reason for the name is that you make a fake turn in the opposite direction just before turning into the fall line. It’s a bit similar to a two footed release technique were you ease off your edges and tip your feet and skis into the new turn at the same time you pivot them around. However, my approach here is not from a standstill which I find to be some-what difficult but instead from moving forwards across the hill in a traverse.

First you go across the slope in a traverse and make two fake turn initiations by easing off your edges and skidding downhill only to straight away set an edge and force your downward movement to a stop. Extend up and jump back on track. On your third initiation, instead of returning to your traverse as in the previous initiations, you go for a real turn and pivot your skis into the fall line. You can do this as many times as you want. Then start making turns on your first turn initiations and then tighten your turns until you are linking short turns.

Best thing is to watch the video all the way through as there is important information from start to finish. And watch it many times as there is a lot of information. I’m also doing the video without a script so it’s more like a conversation between YOU and me than a straight forward lecture on the subject.

Please push the like button if you feel it was worth watching, subscribe and leave comments. I try to be active and answer as many of them as I can.

reg

Tom

Comments 27 Comments

G U
In short, I'm saying you should down-unweigh in short turns as well. The up-unweighing is a more natural (though counterproductive) movements than the counterintuitive, though more efficient, down-unweighing movement, and thus you really want to eliminate it from your skiing to focus on your form.
G U
The short brushed turn has just the same elements as the modern carve turn. The only difference is the delay of edge angles from the outside ski. I really hate the word pivot because it implies active lower body rotation; the rotation of lower limbs is a BYPRODUCT of inside leg tipping, inside foot retraction, and inside foot pressing towards the stance boot (tension on medial muscles of your free foot, setting up proper technique). If it's not coming from these movements, the turn falls apart. Which is why I prefer therm brushed carve. You can at any point in the turn go from a brushed to a modern carve by engaging the outside foot which is also how the pros use it to time where in the turn they want pressure on the outside ski.
b
Thank you. This was a very informative video. I liked what you said about the difference between carved and brushed turns and then highlighting the need for some other movement (bump or pre-turn) to generate unweighting when going at slower speed.


In the demo section you showed the edge set and then said "extension" and I could clearly see the extension. In the latter part of the demo you were setting the edge to unweight and then it looked to me like there was no extension, only flexion with your unweighting to pivot into the new turn. Am I understanding this correctly?


Please keep posting!
Gang Gang
Test doing a carving short turn on hard snow with full rocker powder skis thats not easy.
Great video
Alex787
Ничего не понимаю на вашем языке, увидел только на видео один главный момент для себя, когда нужно делать тычок палкой.
Andrey C.
Hi. How r u doing? After checking your demos, I was wondering what do you think about Harald Harb's PMTS especially in context of short turns and bumps. Would appreciate your opinion a lot. P.S.: April bump session on Kitz was just awesome and yes, show is going on, still 4.5 m snow.
kountchi
good explanations! thanx! waiting for the part where the carved short turns on steep slopes (!) are explained. hopefully this part is coming too!  cheers!  jordan
Franchino bernard
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Brian Ho
Short turn means finishing one turn and initiate another turn without interrupting. Thanks for reminding me this sample rule.
Just interested to know how to figure out the estimated minimum craving turn for a specific pair of skis under ideal condition. Thanks.
Janos Koranyi
I started the video. I do not agree with the first statements, so I stopped watching. You state that the meaning of short turn is that you do not lose momentum. I say that the most effective way to reduce momentum is the short turn. In other words short turns are the best turns that make it possible to control our speed. By finishing the turn earlier we can gain speed and by finishing it later we can lose speed. We can make both kind of short turns without any problem. We always have the option of starting a new short turn during the old short turn. I think, that when an expert skier, like you, tries to explain ski turns for intermediate skiers , it is necessary to understand exactly what is the most important element and what is the next and so on. Only by making up a priority order of the elements can you really explain effectively.
So i ask you, what do you think about the need of a priority order of the elements? What is the real difference, the most important difference, between medium wide turns and short turns?
I have been thinking now a long time about these matters, I can tell you.


How about this statement:
"Release by tipping your skis into the turn and pivot during the float."
A tipping (edging) of the skis will increase the pressure on the skis, not unload it.
I think you wanted to communicate the following:
"Unload the skis during the tipping (edging of the skis)". Or maybe: "Edging and unloading of the skies should be done together simultaneously". This is one of the complicated things one must do for a good short turn.


later in the video:
"up-unweighting by extension " you say. I say the opposite. During the extension of the knees you increase the pressure on the skis. It is a common misunderstanding you state here but if you think about it you will understand. The meaning of the knee extension is something else. By this you can help your body to move into the direction of the fall-line, this is the body projection.
zipmanify
You are doing an extension to release up move then twist the feet to pivot the skis? Is this the technique that World Cup slalom skiers strive to use to create short turns? They flex to release they don’t extend to release.
Thengh Groncrepy
best videos about skiing on youtube imo, keep going!
Ruslan Safin
tank you very mucho! :-)
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