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Game Theory: The Secret Identity Game Theory: Spiderman is a CRIMINAL! 2 days ago   20:42

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A game that grabbed my attention recently is Hollow Knight, the indie darling about insect creatures in masks being terrorized by a creature corrupted by Randiance. This game is LOADED with theory material but what grabbed my attention most was the character we play as - the Knight. There is so much we don't know but the clues are EVERYWHERE! Today Loyal Theorists, we are unmasking the secret identity of the Knight or Hollow Knight!

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Credits:
Writers: Matthew Patrick
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MossBag's Hollow Knight video, https://up-tube.com/upvideo/C_77OgTE6xx&g=1458f
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6rvds8/we_are_team_cherry_the_developers_of_hollow/dl8567s/?context=8&depth=9
https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Royal_Retainer

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The below comment is from the channel Sumwan who did an incredible job critiquing this episode. Unfortunately, the comment got lost (YouTube has an algorithm that is constantly "turning over" comments on high-view videos) and despite digging around for hours looking for it, I couldn't find the original. But the work that she put in was SO thorough that I wanted to make sure it got seen, so here it is!

***Original Text from Sumwan***
I've seen this claim many times and it really does not make any sense. Not only does it contradict evidence in the game but it is very misleading. I'll go through the points one by one and explain why:

6:35 “We too might be in the ranks of a higher being”

The Knight is the child of the Pale King and the White Lady, who are both higher beings. It makes sense that the Knight is able to read these higher being tablets. This doesn't mean that the Pale King IS the Knight.

7:20 “Does it really sound like we're just some failed experiment cast into the depths of this world?”

No, it doesn't sound like that. The Vessels are the children of the Pale King and the White Lady who are born from eggs in the Abyss, which gave them a Shade. The Vessels are not just “failed experiments”.

8:12 “This poem is addressed to the Pale King”

It literally says “elegy for HALLOWNEST”. This poem is about Hallownest. “Under palest watch” refers to the Pale King, but the “you”, is most definitely Hallownest.

8:30 “In the beginning of the game's lore, all bugs were basically a hive mind controlled by the moth god Radiance”

This information is not supported by anything. Only the Radiance's descendants, the moth tribe, worshipped her. Nowhere is it stated that the Radiance controlled everything else. The Mantis Tribe, the Mosskin, Deepnest, and the Hive were all separate tribes and already had minds before the Pale King.

8:51 “This isn't just a poem about the Pale King, it is directed TO the Pale King”

It is about Hallownest and it is direct to Hallownest (elegy for Hallownest).

8:55 “What do we see appear on screen just moments later? Our Knight”

After the poem we see THE HOLLOW KNIGHT, not the Knight. The Knight scene appears after we see the Radiance break out of the Hollow Knight. Team Cherry is NOT drawing a parallel between the Knight and the Pale King. The poem is about Hallownest. It is FOR Hallownest. And the scene with the Knight does not appear right after the poem.

10:27 “Elderbug says we are seeking our dreams in perhaps a very literal sense.”

The context of this sentence matters. Elderbug is talking about how all the previous travellers went down into Hallownest to follow their dreams. He does not actually know if the Knight has any “dreams” themselves.

11:00 “Elderbug wondering if he's seen a ghost is another potentially clever play on words”

No it's not. Elderbug is just referring to how he thought maybe he didn't see anyone pass him because the Knight left so quickly. This dialogue has no other meaning besides that.

11:36 “White Lady: Is it more than simply a Vessel? I almost feel like I'm once again in the presence of my beloved Wyrm”

The White Lady only says this because the Knight is wearing the Kingsoul. The Kingsoul reminds her of the Pale King, not the Knight themselves. Also, the White Lady literally calls the Knight her spawn when they visit her with Grimmchild equipped: “Success then for the scarlet heart, and irony, to use my spawn to grow its own.” Are you saying that the White Lady gave birth to her own husband?

11:46 “Your noble bearing reminds me of our dear King”

No surprise there since the Knight is the child of the Pale King.

12:05 “The bugs in White Palace bowing as you approach them is just screaming that you're the king”

White Palace is a whole other issue, but this is really not concrete evidence. Also their dream nail dialogue makes no sense if it refers to the Knight.

12:19 “10/10 Royal Retainers can't be wrong. You are royalty”

You're actually right there. The Knight IS royalty, since they're the child of the King. Not because they ARE the King.

13:28 “This line of “more transformation” seems to imply that the Pale King's death would only lead to yet another form”

Not really. Bardoon says that the Pale King's death in Kingdom's Edge was not an actual death, but that it was more like a transformation. This does not mean that the Pale King can transform again after he became his bug shape. A caterpillar transforming into a butterfly also cannot transform into another being again.

13:49 “It's an ancient force that opposes the blinding light of [the Radiance]”

Not just the Radiance's light, but the Pale King's too. He is referred to as a light in multiple places:

The Seer:
“But another light appeared in our world... A wyrm that took the form of a king.”

The Pale King calls himself a light in the throne room lore tablet:
“No blazing kin. Only one light shall shine against the dark.”

As does the Teacher’s Archives lore tablet:
“-KINGLIGHT-EM-GROWTH-INKIND-FLOW-ALLTHINK-ENFIELD”

Other bugs talk about the Pale King emanating light:
“Though even its pure aura is no match for the light of our dear King.” (Eternal Emilitia)
“I've heard he was a glorious bug to behold, bright and radiant in visage, so much so it hurt to look at him.” (Last/Old Stag)
“That lingering power alone was beacon enough to draw Us to Hallownest. How bright it must have been to mortal bug stood before it.” (Godseeker)

14:45 “The Pale King used Void to fight time itself. He wants to use the Void to attain eternal life. He births himself as a Void-based creature”

Not literally time. Time here is capitalized, and it is more likely to just refer to the Radiance. Locking up the Radiance is generally seen as being what has caused the Kingdom to remain in a stasis:
“Bear witness to the last and only civilisation, the eternal Kingdom. Hallownest””
“Eternity in promise and charge in progeny cursed.”
“Now this Kingdom's stasis becomes the Wyrm's legacy.”
“Though this hive exists within Hallownest, we play no part in its attempt at perpetuation.”

It is not literally time. He is a higher being, he does not need to use the Void to “achieve eternal life”. Not to mention that the Void opposes his own powers too (see previous point).

15:25 “It seems to suggest that this egg [in White Palace] is where version 1.0 of the Pale King hatched into its upgraded form”

It does not. The Pale King became his current bug form in the Cast-Off shell. The Wanderer's Journal even mentions that too on page 111: “Deep within the maw of the [Cast-Off Shell], a pale, broken egg of some sort hints at such a rebirth.” Not only that, but the egg of the Knight in the Abyss would be DEADLY for the Pale King. Void opposes his power, it would simply kill him if he were to become corrupted by the Void like the eggs of the Vessels were.

15:40 “Elsewhere in White Palace there is a nursery playing this song on the music box (shade theme). The sound that accompanies our Knight's past life coincides with the same sound from a nursery housed in the Pale King's palace.”

Yes, this is true, but not because of the reason you're describing. It's because the Hollow Knight grew up in White Palace (see Path of Pain scene). This nursery was probably for them. And since the Hollow Knight is a Vessel too, it makes sense that the Shade theme place for that area.

16:21 “The existence of a connection between our Knight and the Pale King seems undeniable”

Yes, it is undeniable. The Knight is the child of the Pale King.

18:13 “In cut dialogue that was datamined from the game, it shows that the Hollow Knight says “father”.

Cut dialogue is not evidence. The "Father?" is cut dream nail dialogue. It was cut for a reason. We don't know when this line was written, in which context it would be used exactly, maybe the Hollow Knight's fight was different at the time, etc.

19:20 “Losing his memory helps make him purely hollow”

It does not. Quirrel lost his memory and this does not happen to him. Not to mention that the Knight is not hollow. There are multiple places where the Knight is said to have a will:

Steel Soul Jinn: "...It refuses to trade...? It has a will... all Its own."
Void Heart description: "Unifies the void under the bearer's will."
Description of a pure Vessel: "No will to break."

Lastly I'm going to address some fundamental problems with this entire theory that you did not address or seem to have forgotten about.

The most obvious evidence that contradicts that the Pale King is the Knight is that the Knight and the Pale King are both seen at the same time. This is during the Birthplace memory cutscene where the Hollow Knight is led out of the Abyss by the Pale King. This is a memory of the Knight themselves since the Knight dreamnails their own reflection to access this memory. Furthermore, the achievement for acquiring Void Heart also says:

"Remember the past and unite the Abyss"

This supports the fact that it is the Knight’s memory. Therefore, the Pale King cannot be the Knight, since they were alive at the same time.

Secondly, the Knight is the child of the Pale King, not a transformation. The lore tablet to the right of the throne in White Palace says that the Vessels are the progeny of the Pale King, and the Pale King also says that the Vessels are "born of God and Void", the God obviously referring to him and the White Lady who are both higher beings. Since the Knight is the child of the Pale King (and the White Lady), the Pale King cannot BE the Knight.

None of the points that were brought up align with the evidence that is in the game, and it even contradicts it in various places. To put it quite simply, the Knight is NOT the Pale King.
Gil Gonzalez
i had the same idea the first time i saw the game my friend was just finishing it and then i started it and i asked so who are we and my friend did not know he explained to me the story and i say so what if the king as he did before he transformed just to defeat evil
dovahkiin002 _
I have another idea because of the embrace the void ending in God master.
What If the knight is the pale king, but once he ascends beyond all the "gods" and absolute radiance he's then reborn again into another god-like form similar to when he was a wyrm, but this time consumed by the void?

I know it's probably not the case whatsoever but it's just a random thought
SuperTiny Ch.
Protaganist:*uses dream nail*
THE Hollow knight:F-FATHER?
The pale king spirit:i miss you so much...................................my son
Me:Awwwwwwwwwwww thats so cute
Also me:This could be a good short sad comic
Horrible name choice OwO
Did anyone notice that springtrap neck snap in a frame.
Pls like (−_−#)
asep suwarna link
99% people say the theory is wrong 1% the theory is correct to them
Ivy Rose
Matpats:"...no one would read this..look how huge it is!!
Me: yeah I read books that size all the time......
Roblox German YT
I love the Springtrap At your new intro
ice the gaming wizard
3:00 ?_? that sounds like Naruto
Austin Miller
I have my own theory.The player is a higher being controlling an empty vessel as an avatar, the true Hollow Knight. It's a meta theory, I know, but it's immediately what I thought of at the start of the game with the message addressed to higher beings.
It is a mystery.
So... are you forgetting the part where the White Lady literally addresses the Knight as *"my spawn?"*

I mean, just saying.
I don't think the former Queen is going to address her husband as her "spawn" lol. She would certainly be able to tell if the Knight was PK.

*EDIT:*
That, and Godmaster's ending says otherwise.
Lazy Liu
Matpat only realized that he's not playing as the hollow knight once he reached set boss...

Apparently he absolutely ignored the memorial of the hollow knight
Brandon J
"That's not snow, that's his body flaking away"




EWWWWWWW
Also imagine catching that "snow" in your mouth and building a snowman, only to find out you built a snowman out of your dead kings flaking body, and also ate them
Mr_swazzey
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dogoneshame
Whan Thate Aprille wit te shoures soothe.
generic dialogue
AHHHHH the picture in the background of the opening gave me the feels
Charlie Bragg
What the heck is the yellow in the intro
WeB SiTe
they remind me to Hollow in anime bleach...
Thunderous Monkey
this isn't a theory, its a fact
MAstered Arefair
Yayy New Intro
Mattpat has the smartest mind

Later to see some ending theory
That mattpat Tells the other ending when he tells for sure.
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